Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 1 Today's Topics: #1 [VIA-L] Lois O.VIA.. Kentucky / In [birds11(ihatespammers)ameritech.net] #2 [VIA-L] Re: Lois O.VIA.. Kentucky [jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #3 [VIA-L] will of Judith Via of Albe [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] X-Message: #1 Date: 2 Jan 2004 From: birds11(ihatespammers)ameritech.net To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: [VIA-L] Lois O.VIA.. Kentucky / Indiana This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WVUBAEB/167 Message Board Post: Looking for information on a Lois O Via born 1892 in Kentucky. He married a Anna Bell Fenwick, born 1897 in Kentucky. Children, Paul, born 1916, Ky, William born 1918, George born 1922, Margerat born 1924 and my aunt, Veronica born 1925. Last found them in 1930 census in Delphi, Carroll County, Indiana. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank You. X-Message: #2 Date: 2 Jan 2004 16:02:40 -0700 From: jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: [VIA-L] Re: Lois O.VIA.. Kentucky / This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WVUBAEB/167.1 Message Board Post: I believe Lois was the son of James S. Via and Mary E. Myers. The grandson of Overton Via and Martha Tarver. X-Message: #3 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:35:41 EST From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: [VIA-L] will of Judith Via of Albemarle County, Virginia Know all men by these presents, that I Judith Via of the County of Albemarle & state of Virginia, being old and infirm but being of sound mind and memory, do make declare and publish this my last Will & Testament, First, I desire all my just debts to be paid Secondly, I give, devise, and bequeath all of my estate both real, and personal to my three children, namely Susan M. Pitman (the wife of J.H. Pitman), Theodora H. Pitman (the wife of R.C. Pitman) and Olonzer B. Via to be divided equally between them. Thirdly, It is my will and desire that my daughter Cordelia C. Shiflett (the wife of Edward Shiflett) shall have no part or parcel of my estate and lastly I do nominate and appoint my son-in-law R.C. Pitman to be executor of this my last will and testament In testimony whereof I have subscribed my name & set my seal this (blank) day of (blank) 187(blank) Judy Via x mark signed, sealed & delivered by Judith Via as & for her last will and testament in the presence of us who at her request & in her presence and in the presence of each other have subscribed our names as Witnesses hereto A.H. Wilkerson Joseph F. Blackwell At a court held for Albemarle County August 5 1901 A paper writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of Judith Via was produced into court and proved by the oath of Joseph F. Blackwell one of the attesting witnesses thereto the other attesting witness to wit: A.H. Wilkerson not being presant in court. Thereupon said paper writing is considered fully proven and ordered to be recorded as the last will and Testament of Judity Via deceased. A copy, Teste D W Burnley Deputy for W.L. Maupin Clerk (Albemarle Co., Virginia WB31:1) -------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 05:03:04 -0700 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 2 Today's Topics: #1 [VIA-L] Louisa Via & Elberton Moss [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #2 [VIA-L] Death certificate of Evlin ["Elaine" ] #3 [VIA-L] Eugene Turk Via Death cert ["Elaine" ] #4 [VIA-L] Ellin Via Death Certificat ["Elaine" ] #5 [VIA-L] Edith Lucile Via Death Cer ["Elaine" ] #6 [VIA-L] Unnamed Via Death Certific ["Elaine" ] #7 [VIA-L] Ernest Via death certifica ["Elaine" ] #8 [VIA-L] Marvin K. Via ["Elaine" ] #9 [VIA-L] George Elphus Matthew Via ["Elaine" ] #10 [VIA-L] Martha Lucreatia Stovall V ["Elaine" ] #11 [VIA-L] Unnamed Via death certific ["Elaine" ] X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:01:40 EST From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: [VIA-L] Louisa Via & Elberton Moss Does anyone know who the parents of Louisa Via were? She was born about 1854 and married Elberton "Bert" Moss. An article in the Rockingham Reg. states she was a daughter of R.A. Via. (I had her as a daughter of Ira Howard Via and Amanda Shiflett - could R.A. be a misunderstanding of Ira?) Near Harrisonburg on Thurs. the 23rd of Dec., Rev. Jacob Miller, Elberton Moss and Miss Louisa, dau. of R.A. Via, all of Rockingham Co. (Rockingham Reg., 6 Jan. 1870, Thursday, pg. 3, column 3) Thank you, Judy X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:12:39 -0800 From: "Elaine" To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: [VIA-L] Death certificate of Evline Via I have the death certificate of Evline Via died 8 Jan 1922 Middle River, Augusta, Virginia Born: 10 Nov 1915 Place: Virginia Age: 6 years 1 Month 29 Days Parents: Daniel Christopher Via & Minnie Garrison If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= X-Message: #3 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Eugene Turk Via Death certificate I have the death certificate of Eugene Turk Via died 20 Apr 1922 Smith River, Augusta, Virginia Eugene's parents: Hiram P. Via & Annie Lelitio Berry If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.com Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: [VIA-L] Ellin Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Ellin Via died 9 Jan 1920 Albemarle, Virginia Born: Sep. 1917 Place: Albemarle, Virginia Age: 3 years Parents: Floyd Via & Dora Frances Batten If you want a copy just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.com Elaine =^..^= X-Message: #5 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Edith Lucile Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Edith Lucile Via died 16 Nov 1921 Buchanan, Botetourt, Virginia Born: 30 May 1917 Place: Virginia Age: 4 years 5 months 16 days Parents: Robert Jackson Via & Bessie Maude Wright If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= X-Message: #6 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Unnamed Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of a Unnamed Via died 26 Sep 1924 Middle River, Augusta, Virginia Born: 26 Sep 1924 Place: Middle River, Augusta, Virginia Age: 13 minutes Parents: Daniel Christopher & Minnie Garrison If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.com Elaine =^..^= X-Message: #7 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Ernest Via death certificate Content-Type: text/plain I have the death certificate of Ernest Via died 5 Jun 1927 Brookland, Henrico, Virginia Born: abt 1886 Place: Richmond, Virginia Age: abt 41 Parents: William Carter Via & Jane Wilson Nance If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= X-Message: #8 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Marvin K. Via I have the death certificate of Marvin K. Via died 14 Aug 1921 Augusta, Virginia Born: 4 Nov 1917 Place: Fordwick, Augusta, Virginia Age: 3 years 9 months 10 days Parents: Oliver Leonard Via "Ollie" & Addie Clayborne Robertson If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] George Elphus Matthew Via death I have the death certificate of George Elphus Matthew Via died 28 Sep 1927 Newport News, James City, Virginia Born: 5 May 1854 Place: Albemarle, Virginia Age: 73 years Parents: Matthew Turner Via & Mary Dora Ann Runkle If you want a copy just email. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.com Elaine =^..^= X-Message: #10 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Martha Lucreatia Stovall Via death I have the death certificate of Martha Lucreatia Stovall Via died 15 Aug 1922 Danville, Pittsylvania, Virginia Burial: 16 Aug 1922 Place: Leaksville, North Carolina Born: 17 Jul 1854 Place: Patrick, Virginia Parents: Joseph Madison Stovall "Joe" & Permelia A. Corn If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Unnamed Via death certificate I have the death certificate of a Unnamed Via (Male) died 14 Jun 1923 Waynesboro, Augusta, Virginia Born: 14 Jun 1923 Place: Waynesboro, Augusta, Virginia Age: 5 Minutes Parents: Forest F. Via & Annie A. Dooms If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= -------------------------------- -------------------------------- Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 08:03:55 -0600 From: George Shiflett To: Julie Crosswell Subject: [Fwd: shiflett in Ft. Worth] To: gapsotx(ihatespammers)charter.net Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 04:56:31 -0600 Subject: shiflett in Ft. Worth Craig Shiflett-son Father Winfred Shiflett Grand Father Ray Shiflett great Grand Father Leon Shiflett might we be related or Am I on another string of the Shiflett name. Craig Shiflett Saginaw Texas. -------------------------------- From: Swansflock1(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 18:33:10 EST Subject: Shiflets in Tyler, Texas To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net Julia, I have enjoyed visiting your website. My maternal grandmother was Lena Shiflet- Whisenant. Her brother was L.E. Shiflet. To your knowledge is there any published information on their lineage. I read that all Shiflets are traced back to Virginia. Our family has very little info on specific names, dates and routes to Texas. Any info is appreciated... Blessings from Glasgow, Scotland! Lisa White- -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 04:23:28 -0800 (PST) From: cynthia beck Subject: The Shiffletts To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net Good morning This morning I just happened to key in my mother's maiden name - Shifflett - to see what would come up. How exciting, what a website! There is someone there called Wendy Mathias who mentioned Shiffletts in Elkton/Harrisonburg. Do you know how I can reach her? I am trying to figure out some geneology. My mom was born and raised in Elkton - all her kinfolk are there. Many passed away. She died in 1983. I am really curious about our family's background. Her maiden name was Addie Lee Shifflett, born in Elkton in 1927. Her mom was Annie Shifflett, who remarried Mr. Frazier. I believe we also have Haneys in our family. Also, Williams. Can't remember my grandad Mr. Frazier much, except that he was kind and seemed very tall to me. Thanks very much! Cynthia Beck (Maryland) -------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 3 #1 [VIA-L] Re: Mary W. Via B: Abt. 18 [waymarbax(ihatespammers)juno.com] #3 Re: [VIA-L] Mary Via ["Buddy Viers" Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Mary Via Jewell: Edna shows Rowland married Nancy Sneed 29 Aug 1803 Amherst Nancy born 1790 Va. (13 years old) . Why don't people check what they put out. B X-Message: #5 From: "Betty Miller" To: Subject: genealogy Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 Hi, I happen to seeyour website on the Shifflet's. My great grandmother wasa Shiflett. She was the daughter of harrison andMatilda Jones. She died in 1888. She married James H. Corbin of Rockingham Co. They had several children one being Ernest R. Corbin.Ernest was my grand father. He moved his family to Mi. around 1912. I am doing research on the Corbins, but have found no one with a picture of my gt. grand mother. Would you know of any place I could get a copy of one? I did visit her grave 2 yrs ago. My grand is buried 12 miles from me, in Lansing, Mi. I would appreciate any help you can give me. Betty J. Miller 216 So. Clinton St. Grand Ledge, Mi. 48837 -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:00:46 -0700 From: VIA-D-request(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: VIA-D Digest V04 #4 Volume 04 : Issue 4 Today's Topics: #1 [VIA-L] Rowland's children [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #2 Re: [VIA-L] Mary Via [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #3 Re: [VIA-L] Mary Via ["Jewell Via Smith" #4 Re: [VIA-L] William Via of Amherst [Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com] X-Message: #1 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com In a message dated 1/7/2004 12:15:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, writes: If this is not accurate then I apologize to Via List. We are searching for the TRUTH. Jewell, I absolutely agree. We would like the truth and when possible documentation. I look at everything I find as wonderful clues. I appreciate the research and work of others. It often helps us with the lines important to us and points us in directions we can research. For what it's worth here's what I have on Rowland Via. Born about 1779 (Birth year estimated from the 1850 Amherst Co., Virginia census - age 71) He was married 29 August 1803. (Rowland Via to Nancy Sneed, August 29, 1803. Security and Witnesses: William Smith, S. Garland) Their children as far as I know where: 1. John or Jonathan Via. John married Elizabeth Wright. This is the documentation that shows John was Rowland Via's son. (John Via to Elizabeth Wright, son of Rolen Viar. Security and Witnesses: Wm Vier (at top of bond) or Joseph Bryant (at bottom of bond)?, N. Davies, Charles Trial) 2. Sarah Via married Wentworth Webb. (Wentworth Webb to Sarah Via, Security: Rowland Via) 3. Phebe Ann Via married George W. Tyree. (Listed as a daughter of Rolyn and Nancy Viar in the Amherst Co., Virginia marriage register.) 4. Mary Via married Jesse Tyree. (Jesse W. Tyree and Mary Via, daughter of Rolen and Nancey Viar. Security and Witnesses: Jesse Via, John L. Tyree.) 5. Richard Via married Malinda Hunter. (Listed in the 1850 Amherst Co., Virginia census in the household with his parents Roland & Nancy Via.) 6. David Via married Martha J. Via. (David Via age 40, single, born Amherst Co. son of Roland Via & Nancy Via, occupation stonecutter. Martha J. Via age 19, single, born Buckingham Co. daughter of Matthew Via & Sarah Via.) Probable child: 7. Robert Lewis Via married Martha Carter. (I do not have documentation to prove he was the son of Rowland Via but a witness for Robert's marriage was George W. Tyree, possible brother-in-law). I think the important thing is for all of us to contribute. Post things to the list. If we contribute and discuss these things we'll come up with a better end result. Thank you Buddy and Jewell and the others Via researchers for always being there for us and sharing your research with us. If anyone has any corrections to the children of Rowland please let me know. If he married a first time I don't have any info on it. Judy X-Message: #2 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com In a message dated 1/7/2004 12:15:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, writes: He shows Elizabeth m to Robert Cunningham dau Rowland and Hi everybody, One more quick comment. I think Elizabeth was the daughter of William Via and Phebe (Martin?). I think their son Martin was named after his mother's maiden name. Elizabeth's bondsman on her marriage bond was Martin Via, her brother? I believe Rowland was another brother of Elizabeth's. Again, no concrete documentation. Rowland was born about 1779 according to the 1850 census. I don't know when Elizabeth was born but she was married in 1816. So Rowland could have been her father but it would have been most likely from a first marriage as he didn't marry Nancy Sneed until 1803. Judy X-Message: #3 From: "Jewell Via Smith" Re: [VIA-L] Mary Via Judy, Thanks for setting the record straight. I know Rowland and Elizabeth collect Rev. War. pension approved after William's death. He had a terrible time trying to prove he was William Via since the government was already paying one to William Via, Albermarle (Mary Craig) Took more than 55 pages for this file and he died around 100 years old. A friend pressed on for the family. Jewell X-Message: #4 From: Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: Re: [VIA-L] William Via of Amherst Hi Jewell - You are right about William Via of Amherst having such a tough haul proving his pension. I remember reading his application at the National Archives many, many years ago and in it the documents from Washington describe him as a "fraud," as the government was already paying a pension to William Via of Virginia. To this day, it still makes me sad, as he had done his duty and put his life on the line as a young man to help form our county. Apparently it took an Act of Congress after his death, to give him his due. Thirtieth Congress - First Session. H.R. 377. (Report No. 446.) IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. March 30, 1848 Read twice, and committed to a Committee of the Whole House to-morrow. Mr. STRONG, from the Committee on Revolutionary Pension, reported the following bill: A BILL For the relief of William Via. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Secretary of War be, and he is hereby, required to place the name of William Via, of Nelson county, Virginia, upon the pension roll, for twelve months' service as a private soldier during the revolutionary war, and pay him at the rate of forty dollars a year, commencing on the first of December, anno Domini eighteen hundred and forty-four. ************************* Here is his pension that was posted on the Internet. I do not understand why all the dates don't seem to correlate, except that this is only a part of it, as the original contains many letters back and forth: Virginia, Richmond William Via dec'd Amherst Co, in the State of Virginia was a private in the Company commanded by Captain Allen of the Regt commanded by Col (blank) in the Virginia line for 1 year Subscribed on the Roll of Richmond at the rate of 40 Dollars 00 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831. End'g 28 July 1849, when he died. Certificate of Pension issued the 2d day of April 1831 and sent to George C. Ames Esq Arrears to the 4th of Present Semi anl. allowance ending State of Virginia, Amherst County This 5th day of September 1843, before me William Dillard a Justice of the peace, in and for said County personally appeared Mr. William Via a Resident of the County of Nelson. Aged 92 years - who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7, 1832: That he enlisted the service of the United States, in and during the Revolutionary War - from the County of Amherst as an enlisted soldier under Cap. Jesse Allen of the regular Army in the month of Jany or Feb 1779 - at the Albemarle Barracks - having marched to said place in a militia Company under Capt. Sa_ Allen from Amherst County now Nelson. That he served one month under said militia Captain and then enlisted as above under Capt. Jesse Allen - who, after a few months was broke for habitual drunkeness - and declarant was then placed under Cap. Jno. Woodroffe who was Lieut. under Allen - and finally under Cap. Jas. Burton from Orange under whom declarant served until the British prisoners was marched to Winchester, declarant did not go to Winchester but was discharged and Returned home, on or about the (blank) day of ___ 1780 - having served as a Regular Soldier on said occasion about one year, and (blank) months, or two years. Declarant also served another tour of duty in the militia from said County, under Cap. Wm. Tucker of three months duration at York, and Hampton in the spring and summer of 1781 - and was at the capture of Cornwallis in Oct. 1781. he was also at the Malvin Hills - He was under Col. Taylor at the Barracks in Albemarle. declarant would have put in his claim sooner but did not Know who to apply to - to prove his services except Wm. Smith - whose affidavit proving one tour of 3 months, and 20 days Service - has been lost by Sa__er Sonder - Smith being dead. Gideon Via, and Jno. Via, and Saml Arrington was in said Jesse Allen's Company - at the Barrack in Albemarle - with declarant, all of whom went on to Winchester with the British prisoners. Declarant served in all over two years in the Rev. War. He has made his declaration in Amherst, because it is only 2 miles to the magistrate - and is also better acquainted in that county - having proven his Services for that county also - and being too infirm to go either to Nelson Court 5 miles or to Amherst Court 12 miles. William Via [his mark] William H. Viar of Nelson interlined before signed - William Dillard J.P. Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year above written. Before me William Dillard J.P. State of Virginia Amherst County S.S. I William Dillard a Justice of the peace in and for said County do hereby certify that Wm. Via, who has sworn to and subscribed the foregoing declaration by reputation a Revolutionary Soldier - and he is to infirm to attend Court. Given with my hand this 5th day of September 1843. William Dillard J.P. At a Court of Quarterly session begun and held for Amherst County at the Court House on Monday the 17th day of March 1851 Satisfactory evidence was presented to shew that William Via a revolutionary soldier and an applicant for a pension died in this County on the 28th day of July 1849 leaving no widow but children to wit. Rowland Via, Patsey Via and Elizabeth Cunningham and that James W. Keith was appointed Admr of the said William Via on the 17th day of March 1851 for the purpose of receiving from the Genl Govt the pension due him at his death under the act of Congress of the 7th of June 1832 for the purpose of distributing the same among the aforesaid heirs. In testimony whereof I Saml M Garland Clerk of the County Court aforesaid in the State of Virginia have hereto set my hand and affixed the seal of my office this 19th day March 1851 and in the 75th year of the Commonwealth. Sam M Garland Ck +~*~*~ Edna ~*~*~+ "In winter I get up at night And dress by yellow candle-light." "In summer, quite the other way, I have to go to bed by day." ~~Robert Louis Stevenson, 1850-1894 -------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:15:36 -0500 From: "Roger L. Goodman" Subject: [VA-ROOTS] Albemarle County (and others) project Greetings, all! I have been thinking lately about a project that should be done for Albemarle County, VA, and could probably be done for other counties in Virginia (even other states). This will be a little long, so if you're not interested, please hit delete now, and save yourself some time. :) I think that Rev. Edgar Woods' book "History of Albemarle County" should be fed into a database (FTW, PAF, AQ, or similar), and posted on Rootsweb for people to search. I mean putting the people into the database, and perhaps some of the text into the notes of those people. This would be the minimum extent of the project, but I have grander visions for what it could become. I would like to see links to photos of tombstones, links to drawings/photos of the people in the database, email addresses for researchers in the notes, etc. I have some example links for you here, from my project for my home county (Nemaha Co., KS): NMKS Photos homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nemahaks/index.html Clay Goodman (my grandfather) photo page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nemahaks/ClayGoodman.html Clay Goodman database page: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rlg-ks- nemaha&id=I3703 Jim Goodman tombstone photo: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cemphoto/ks/nemaha/wettown/wetmore/wtmr08 97.jpg Maurice Manoah Pleasants (Albemarle County resident) tombstone: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/vastones/albemarle/pleasants/ALB00004.jpg This can be an easy project to start, but when you start adding censuses, newspapers, tombstones, etc., it can take a lot of work on one person's part, because everything has to go into one database to be uploaded. Does anyone know of a collaborative software that could be used by many people over the Internet make this easier? Anyway, to get this started, one person would have to request a database space from Rootsweb, and maintain the central database. Lots of people could create a database of the family they are interested in (Goodman, for me, for example), and upload a GEDCOM to the central person, who would just import all the databases into the central database. That would work fine for just the families in the book, but would break down quickly as we start expanding outside the book, because of the need to match/merge the gedcoms coming into the database. I am currently doing this type of a project for Nemaha Co., KS, and this is the standard note I send to people who are interested in sending info: "My project is to find everyone who has lived in Nemaha Co., KS at any time, and make that info available to other researchers. I have been using open sources for my data (censuses, newspapers, tombstone data, etc.). I also accept data from other researchers, and include their name and email address in the notes of each individual, naming them as Family Researchers, so others can contact them directly." I limit the info I include in the database to people who actually lived in the county, plus one generation born outside the county; otherwise the database would grow into the millions. After 5.25 years of work, I now have over 68,435 people entered, and expect that I will hit 200,000 before I finish. Albemarle County is much bigger, and much older, than Nemaha Co., KS, and will have a _lot_ more people. This could be a massive project, if carried out fully. If anyone is interested in jumping on this and running, or if something like this is already in the works, let me know. If anyone would be willing to do a family or two from the book, let me know, and I will coordinate that (if someone doesn't want the job). :) Roger Goodman Springfield, VA From: Sharon Clark Subject: Re: [VA-ROOTS] Albemarle County (and others) project I have transcribed my ancestors that are in Rev. Woods' book and will be happy to share. They are: CLARK EUBANK SUDDARTH SUMPTER Since my Gilmores in Albemarle Co. were Eubank descendants, I have also done the TOOLEYs because Mary Gilmore married John TOOLEY. Sharon Clark Fort Worth, TX clarksha(ihatespammers)swbell.net X-Message: #3 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:29:34 EST From: SueW601(ihatespammers)aol.com To: VAALBEMA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAALBEMA] Albemarle County (and others) project In a message dated 1/8/2004 12:13:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, rgoodman(ihatespammers)capaccess.org writes: I would like to see links to photos of tombstones, links to drawings/photos of the people in the database... Photos, tombstones, obits, etc are constantly being added to my cemetery web page for Maplewood cemetery in Charlottesville , Albemarle Co. VA. Many mentioned in Rev. Woods are buried here. Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaogc/index.htm Always looking for help with this project....volunteer researchers and family descendants welcome to provide info. SueW ------------------------------ X-Message: #5 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:00:39 EST From: Difala(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VAALBEMA] Albermarle County There is a cemetery that is a small family cemetary that is in need of care in Albemarle County. My great grandfather and many other relatives are buried in the Wilhoit Family cemetery. There are only field stones marking the graves but I do have death certificate stating that these people are buried there. I was taking to the spot by a cousin and my sister and I erected a sign so that people would know that there is a cemetery there. The place is hidden by woods and once you enter this wooded area then it is very upsetting to see the condition of these graves.There were two very sunken depression which appeared to be the oldest. I beleived them to be the graves of Matthew Cox and his wife. I know that my gggrandfather Montressor Cox and his wife are buried there.Our sign can be seen from the road and we just hope that it still stands. Diane Baltimore,MD -------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:00:39 -0700 Subject: VIA-D Digest V04 #5 Volume 04 : Issue 5 #1 Re: [VIA-L] Rowland's children [Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com] X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:09:10 EST From: Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Rowland's children In a message dated 1/7/2004 4:29:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com writes: If anyone has any corrections to the children of Rowland please let me know. If he married a first time I don't have any info on it. Judy & Jewell - It seems that the confusion about Rowland's wive must come from the 1850 census. This is what I have, but I am not sure it is correct, as originally I had in my notes that Rowland and Nancy Via were on the Amherst census. Now I think the woman with him must have been Mary Via. Nancy Via was still alive in 1835, so any of Rowland's children born between 1803 and 1835 (a long time) would be her children. Rowlin Via, age 71 with Mary Via, age 60, David Via, age 23, George Webb age 12, and Richard Via age 33, enumerated next door to Robert Via. ~~Edna ~Happy New Year from Edna Barney www.ednabarney.com +~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~+ -------------------------------- From: "Wendy Mathias" To: "Eugene Powell" , "Julia Crosswell" , "Olen Morris" , "Karen FrasierScott" Subject: Joseph Frazier Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:07:51 -0500 Attached is an article sent to me by Charlie Gillespie of Missouri. He found it in a library at Moberly, MO. : The History of Randolph and Macon Counties of MO. pages 632 and 633. The quality is a bit fuzzy but readable for the most part. The article is interesting to me because it connects this Joseph Frazier to Leland Frazier and Ann Mallory, and it lists children. ~Wendy Attachment converted: StarMax HD:Frazier article.JPG (JPEG/JVWR) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:00:40 -0700 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 6 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [VIA-L] Rowland's children [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #2 [VIA-L] Martha Ann Elizabeth Wood ["Elaine" ] #3 [VIA-L] Columbia Annie Via Death C ["Elaine" ] #4 Re: [VIA-L] Columbia Annie Via Dea [Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com] #5 [VIA-L] Sallie Belle (VIA) Tyler O [Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com] X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:26:52 EST From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Rowland's children In a message dated 1/8/2004 12:10:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com writes: Rowlin Via, age 71 with Mary Via, age 60, David Via, age 23, George Webb age 12, and Richard Via age 33, enumerated next door to Robert Via. Edna, I have the same info for the 1850 census but I have Nancy. 1850 Amherst Co., Virginia census, Eastern District, page 124 Rowlin Via 71 Nancy Via 60 David Via 23 George Webb 12 Richd Via 33 They're also in the 1860 census: 1860 Amherst Co., Virginia census Roland Via 97 Carpenter Nancy Via 82 (several others in the household S. Kidd and Teakley family) Can anyone find a death record for Roland or Nancy Via? Judy X-Message: #2 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Martha Ann Elizabeth Wood Via Death certificate I have the death certificate of Martha Ann Elizabeth Wood Via died 11 Sep. 1922 Hanover, Virginia Born: 20 May 1848 Place Hanover, Virginia Husband: Edward Via "Eddie" Parents: David Wood & _______________ If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= X-Message: #3 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Columbia Annie Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Annie C. Via died 15 May 1922 White Hall, Albemarle, Virginia Born: 15 Sep. 1849 Place: Albemarle, Virginia Husband: William Via Parents: David G. Via Sr. & Malanda Jane Scantling If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= X-Message: #5 From: Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Sallie Belle (VIA) Tyler Found this on the Internet at Virginia Obituaries: http://virginiaobits.homestead.com/vaobitsT.html It may have already been posted here; if so I apologize. ~Edna Mrs. Charles Albert Tyler. Mrs. Sallie Belle Tyler, the wife of Charles Albert Tyler, of this city, died at the residence of her father, William M. Via, Spring Farm, Louisa county, November 28th, after a lingering illness. She is survived by her husband and one child, father, mother, two sisters and three brothers. Although she had been ill for some time, her death came as a shock to her many friends in this city, where she lived previous to her last illness. Her funeral took place from Mechanicsville Church, Louisa county, Va. Rev. Mr. Flanagan, who officiated at her marriage, conducted the ceremonies. from "The Times-Dispatch," Richmond, Va., Tues., Dec. 4, 1906 issue, p. 8, c. 4 ~Happy New Year from Edna Barney www.ednabarney.com +~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~+ --------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:00:40 -0700 Subject: VAALBEMA-D Digest V04 #3 archive/volume04/3 VAALBEMA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 3 X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:31:49 -0500 From: Donna Garland Subject: [VAALBEMA] 1910 census, Rockingham County and other Content-Type: Hi all, Does anyone have a 1910 census that I could get a lookup on? What I am looking for is what area they were living in? John W. Shifflett with family Jenny, wife verson, son robert, son nellie, daughter carrie, daughter authur, son reba, daughter violet, daughter Also searching for any census record for Mattie E. Shifflett, preferably 1900 and 1910? I also need to know what area she was living in. Searching for a death date and burial place for her! She was married to Charles E. Shiflett in Rockingham County, but after she died, Charles remarried Annie Burns and is buried with her at the Tinkling Springs Cemetery in Augusta County. It is my belief that she died about 1915. Thanks a million! Donna X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:27:03 -0500 From: "Dee Randall" Subject: Re: [VAALBEMA] 1910 census, Rockingham County and other I'm sorry for the previous information sent in the format that jumped right out of my hands and sent without my intending to do it at all-- I don't know if it will come thru or not, but I will repeat it here. There are 3 John w. Shifletts in VA in 1910. SHIFLETT JOHN W 39 M W VA VA ROCKINGHAM STONEWALL 1910 no wife listed SHIFLETT JOHN W 41 M W VA VA ROCKINGHAM STONEWALL 1910 m. to Matilda SHIFLETT JOHN W 53 M W VA VA ROCKINGHAM STONEWALL 1910 I can't read the wife's name, but she is 35. The children listed are Millie possibly 12 or 17 and Charles 3. Very hard to read. Perhaps someone else can read it. I couldn't find a Mattie E. Shifflett/Shiflett Dee -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:01:02 -0700 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: #1 [VIA-L] Martha Ann Elizabeth Wood [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #2 [VIA-L] Columbia Annie Via [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #3 Re: [VIA-L] Martha Ann Elizabeth W ["Elaine" ] #4 [VIA-L] Rockingham County marriage [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #5 [VIA-L] Burnett--Wood #6 [VIA-L] County formations [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #7 [VIA-L] county formation - part 2 [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] X-Message: #1 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Martha Ann Elizabeth Wood Via Death certificate In a message dated 1/10/2004 9:50:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net writes: I have the death certificate of Martha Ann Elizabeth Wood Via died 11 Sep. 1922 Hanover, Virginia Born: 20 May 1848 Place Hanover, Virginia Husband: Edward Via "Eddie" Parents: David Wood & _______________ Elaine, The name on the certificate for Martha's mother is Ellen Burnett. I have her name as Martha Eleanor Burnett. Judy X-Message: #2 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Columbia Annie Via In a message dated 1/10/2004 10:26:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net writes: I have the death certificate of Annie C. Via died 15 May 1922 White Hall, Albemarle, Virginia Born: 15 Sep. 1849 Place: Albemarle, Virginia Husband: William Via Parents: David G. Via Sr. & Malanda Jane Scantling Elaine, Have we ever figured out who the father of Columbia Annie Via's son was? Her son William Anderson Via was listed as illegitimate on his death record. The certificate you have for Annie's death lists her as a widow and name of her husband William Via. Any clue as to who this William might be? Judy X-Message: #4 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Rockingham County marriages Marriage Notices from Extant Issues of the Rockingham Register 1822-1870, by Dorothy A. Boyd-Rush, Heritage Books, 1993, Vol VIII pg. 315: Near Harrisonburg on Thurs. the 23rd of Dec., Rev. Jacob Miller, Elberton Moss and Miss Louisa, dau. of R.A. Via, all of Rockingham Co., Rockingham Reg. 6, Jan 1870, pg 3, col 3 pg. 455: On the 10th inst., at the residence of Z.W. Fry, by the Rev. R.P. Kennedy, C.C. Via & Miss Mary E. Fry, all of Rockbridge, Rockingham Register, 17 March 1870, pg 2, col. 4 X-Message: #5 From: "Jewell Via Smith" Subject: [VIA-L] Burnett--Wood Foster Burnett was father of Martha Eleanor m David Wood Foster son of Nathan H. Nathan H. son of George Burnett b. ca 1765 m. ------Wicker George son of Isaac Burnett ca 1736---ca 1801/4 Isaac believed son of Abraham Burnett -----but not proven Men of Matadequin by June Banks Evans X-Message: #6 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] County formations This may be an ongoing saga....If anyone has any additional information, comments or corrections please add to this discussion. I definitely am not a historian. I'm just trying to put together some information that could help as we continue to research the Via family. Hopefully as we learn more about Colonial Virginia the more we will be able to make reasonable assumptions when we lack actual documentation. As we all know there is a record in 1677 of Amer Via being transported to Virginia. Where he was transported from and where he was actually transported to is not known. Because of the record of the death of Nohome in 1688 we do know by that date he was in New Kent County and resided in New Kent until his death most likely between 1708/9 and 1711. York - created 1634 formerly Charles River New Kent - 1654 from York King & Queen - 1691 from New Kent King William - 1701/2 from King & Queen Hanover - 1720 from New Kent Spotsylvania - 1720/1 from Essex, King & Queen, King William Caroline - 1727/8 from Esses, King & Queen, King William Louisa - 1742 from Hanover New Kent County originally encompassed Hanover, King William, King and Queen and all the counties created from these (which includes Louisa, part of Caroline, and part of Spotsylvania). New Kent was formed from the upper part of York County in 1654. Before the county was divided (King & Queen from New Kent) in 1691 court was held in the courthouse of King William. During the year 1678 the Vestry of Blisland Parish made a division. The lower part retained the name Blisland, the upper and new part was called St. Peter's. In 1704, St. Peter's Parish itself was divided. The upper (north-western) portion became St. Paul's Parish. (Until l1720 it was still in New Kent Co.) Hanover County was created from New Kent in 1720. The county court records prior to 1865 were destroyed in the evacuation of Richmond. Two books and six Circuit Court records 1809 to 1860 are all that was preserved. All the other books, wills, deeds, and marriage bonds were destroyed. To be continued...... Louisa Co. was formed from Hanover in 1742. It's records with the exception of one order book are fairly complete. In 1761 a portion of Louisa was cut off and added to Albemarle (Fredericksville Parish). Albemarle was formed from Goochland in 1744. When Albemarle was formed it included Buckingham, parts of Appomattox and Campbell and the counties of Amherst, Nelson & Fluvanna. While the records between 1752 and 1758 seem not to have been destroyed there nevertheless are no deeds recorded. There are deeds for lands in Albemarle recorded both in Louisa and Goochland. It's possible citizens rather than going to Scottsville recorded deeds in those other counties to save distance. So what clues does this provide us? It tells us that Amer died in New Kent County (not Hanover) as some people have believed. Because New Kent's records were destroyed we may never be able to really document the early Via's. Because the courthouse was in King William until 1691 we can check and see what early records if any they may have. It appears to me that William Via left Hanover and went to Louisa Co. Then it appears that he did not move to Albemarle but the county line was changed. So it might help to check early Louisa Co records. The Vestry book on births etc was preserved for St. Peter's Parish. Mary Via was baptized there in 1703. Then in 1704 St. Paul's was created and the birth register did not survive. Could this mean that William, son of Amer was born after 1704? Judy -------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan From: VIA-D-request(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 8 Today's Topics: #1 [VIA-L] Spellings...? [FaceInThePlace(ihatespammers)aol.com] #2 [VIA-L] Address for Jewell ["Pat Via" ] #3 Re: [VIA-L] county formations [Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com] #4 Re: [VIA-L] county formations [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #5 Re: [VIA-L] Address for Jewell [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #6 Re: [VIA-L] Spellings...? [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] #7 Re: [VIA-L] Spellings...? [Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com] #8 Re: [VIA-L] county formations [Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com] #9 [VIA-L] Robert [Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com] X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:05:00 EST From: FaceInThePlace(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Spellings...? Greetings, Might be a silly question by now but have e actually establlished any prrof that the different spellings such as Viar, Viars, Viers, Veah, etc...come from or are related to VIA? In my line, the "R" is dropped then added then dropped again between some generations to go from VIA to VIAR. I was told it was prolly due to the southern accent that it was written incorrectly at times...? Any word? Chris X-Message: #3 From: Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com : Re: [VIA-L] county formations In a message dated 1/12/2004 1:15:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com writes: The Vestry book on births etc was preserved for St. Peter's Parish. Mary Via was baptized there in 1703. Then in 1704 St. Paul's was created and the birth register did not survive. Could this mean that William, son of Amer was born after 1704? Judy - Thank you for the chronology you made of the counties. It is quite interesting. You are right, we should try some others as when the Counties in Virginia were split, the old "mother" county kept all of the records. When Albemarle County included all those many other counties you mentioned, it was known as "Big Albemarle". The above is a good explanation as to why we have no birth records of Amer's children after 1704. But what about Robert Via? We believe he is Amer's son and he had to be born before 1696 as his land was processioned in 1716. ~Happy New Year from Edna Barney X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:36:07 EST From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: Re: [VIA-L] county formations In a message dated 1/12/2004 1:26:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com writes: The above is a good explanation as to why we have no birth records of Amer's children after 1704. But what about Robert Via? We believe he is Amer's son and he had to be born before 1696 as his land was processioned in 1716. Edna, I agree with you that Robert must have been born before 1704. I've wondered why we haven't seen a baptismal record for him. But this leads me to another thought. We are assuming he was Amer's son. And I still believe that he probably was. But my question is if he was the eldest son why wasn't he the one to inherit Amer's land as was the law and the custom at that time. Since we have not seen any other early records for Robert like transportation or quit rent I think that probably indicates he was a son of Amer's rather than say a brother, uncle, or whatever but at this point I don't think we can absolutely say what the relationship was. I know this will draw the ire of some researchers but I do believe we need to keep an open mind. Too often we fall into the trap of believing what seems easiest and what seems logical. Best example is the Micajah and William in Albemarle. It fit so well but now we know they were not the grandsons named in William's will. Judy X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:40:55 EST From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Spellings...? FaceInThePlace(ihatespammers)aol.com writes: Might be a silly question by now but have e actually establlished any prrof that the different spellings such as Viar, Viars, Viers, Veah, etc...come from or are related to VIA? In my line, the "R" is dropped then added then dropped again between some generations to go from VIA to VIAR. I was told it was prolly due to the southern accent that it was written incorrectly at times...? Any word? Chris, I can only speak from my experiences. But everyone I have found with the various spellings in Virginia from late 1600's through about 1850 came from the 3 Via lines we know of. That being the Albemarle County Via's, the Hanover County Via's, and the Amherst, Nelson, Franklin etc. Via's. It seems at this time that the Albemarle County Via's came from Hanover and therefore connected to that branch. I can't say how the Amherst etc lines fit in yet. I hope someday we can prove a link from the Amherst branch back to Hanover but we aren't there yet. Judy X-Message: #7 From: Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Spellings...? About the different VIA spellings: We tend to forget that spelling was not standardized until fairly modern times and the publication of dictionaries and access to them. Also, in Virginia in Colonial times and even sometimes today, names were pronounced with the emphasis on the first syllable, which makes the last syllable a bit difficult to understand -- is it an "AH" or an "A" or a "ER"? That is why the endings of VIA tend to vary from VIAR to VIAH to VIER. A good old Virginia example is the name BURWELL. People today would pronounce it giving each syllable equal accent "Bur - Well". But in Virginia it becomes "BURL". ~~Edna X-Message: #8 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:07:28 EST From: Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com : [VIA-L] county formations In a message dated 1/12/2004 5:37:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com writes: But my question is if he was the eldest son why wasn't he the one to inherit Amer's land as was the law and the custom at that time.... I think the law of primogeniture in colonial Virginia only applied if there was no will. Because of the loss of Hanover and New Kent County records we do not know if Amer Via left a will. Many times the youngest child ended up with the land the parents were living on, as gifts were given the older children when they married and the younger child stayed on taking care of the parents. ~~Edna www.ednabarney.com +~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~+ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:00:40 -0700 From: VIA-D-request(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 9 X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:02:55 EST From: Janvm1030(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] St. Peter's Parish Register Another explanation for Robert Via's birth not found recorded in St. Peter's Parish Register in New Kent County may possibly be found in the Introduction to the published book as transcribed by Chamberlayne. I am not quoting precisely, but he emphasizes that many pages are missing and the pages he transcribed were often torn with parts missing and/or ink so faded they couldn't be read. Robert's birth and the birth of other children of Amor may have been recorded among the torn or missing pages. My educated guess is that Robert's land may have come to him through his marriage to some unknown name wife. The few records I have examined (all that are extant to my knowledge) indicate that Amer/Amor never had more than the 50 acres that are mentioned in the Quit Rent Roll of 1703/4. From the listing of the people who owned land in assigned precincts found in Chamberlayne's transcribed St. Paul's Vestry, it appears that William came into possession of the land that had been Amor's. I have not found in extant records the amount of land in possession of Robert Via, but I believe from data found in the Land Tax Records commencing in 1782, he left a relatively considerable estate. From these records and the processioning of the land as long as Robert I was alive, one can follow the land and how it was divided among his Via son heirs by 1782. I have studied those early land tax records so thoroughly for the past 30 years, particularly as there are so few other sources for Hanover during the period after the Revolution. The Hanover Clerk(s) meticulously recorded description of acreage, location, neighbors, distance from courthouse, and other revealing data of each land owner, frequently including how land was disposed of. In addition to the two books Judy mentioned in an earlier posting, the Land Tax Record and the Personal Property Tax Record Books were not sent to Richmond during the Civil War. They were kept at the Hanover Courthouse and were never bothered by the Yankees in either 1862 or 1864. Both books commence in 1782, and I believe they continue until about 1872 (they may have continued beyond, but my great grandparents left Hanover about 1872, after my second great grandmother, Louisiana Via, wife of Carter Via, died, and the land that Carter had owned was divided among his children. Edward Via, of the recently posted stats, was one of their four surviving children). At one time they were easily available for studying at the VA State Archives. It may be possible to view them still, but in any case they have been filmed and are available on microfilm at the Library of Virginia and possibly other locations. A longer posting would result if one described all the data that is found on those pages. The amount of land that came into possession of his sons (assuming that those Via men whose lands adjoined each other were Robert's sons) and is described in the Land Tax Books is considerable. If one supposes that daughter(s) may also have inherited, there is even more, of course. Edna is correct in her posting that primogenitor was a factor in Virginia only if a person left no Will. In a Virginia Will a person could leave possessions to any or all of his children and/or any other person. Before death there may have been Deed of Gift also to dispose of land. There was law for wife's portion, but that is another detailed subject. In Hanover through the years I have noted that Via is spelled many ways by the same person. Josias Via (ca 1782 in the Land and Personal Property Tax Record Books and son of Robert I) was also listed at various times on the Tax Records as Joseph and Cyrus in addition to Josias. I thought I was studying three separate individuals, but after several puzzling years I realized this was one person. Those Hanover Vias (the clerks or the men themselves) at different times also spelled their names Viah, Viar, Vere as well as Via. Also there was little uniformity in spelling until the 20th century. In the 17th and 18th centuries so many people were also illiterate. I believe I remember correctly that William Via I of Albemarle made his mark on his Will. It may be evidence of the order of birth of Robert and William in that Robert could read and write as opposed to William's inability. If Robert was born during the late 1680's or early to mid 1690's, he had the opportunity to learn from his father, but if William was born nearer the time of Amor's death, he did not have the opportunity to learn to read and/or write from his parent. I know that Amor and Robert could read and write because they were appointed Overseers of their Precincts at various times, and one had to be able to make processioning returns in writing (Introduction in VESTRY BOOK OF ST. PAUL'S PARISH HANOVER COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1706 - 1786). In this book there are a number of photographs of pages on which are Robert Via's handwriting. There are examples of facsimilie handwriting of at least some of Robert's sons in HANOVER COUNTY TAXPAYERS SAINT PAUL'S PARISH compiled and prepared by William Ronald Cocke, III that come from various sources. Janelle Via McKown ------------------------------ X-Message: #2 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] St. Peter's Parish This may explain why we don't find a record of Robert's birth. The records are incomplete and do not begin until 1684. Judy The Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's Parish New Kent and James City Counties, Virginia 1684- 1786, Transcribed and edited by C.G. Chamberlayne, Library of Virginia, Reprint 1997 Referring to the above, the Preface states: The Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's Parish in New Kent County had been originally published separately by the Colonial Dames of America in the State of Virginia in 1904 and 1905. The 1904 and 1905 publications were found to be incomplete and inadequately footnoted and indexed. (The register part was published in 1904 and the vestry part in 1905. The earlier of the two manuscript volumes (the register) Contains 198 leaves in whole or in part. Originally the Volume contained at least twenty to thirty more leaves than at present. Of this number some twenty or more leaves have been torn out, apparently at random, generally speaking only one leaf at a time is missing but occasionally two consecutive leaves are missing, and in one case the gap was made by tearing out three leaves. In addition to the missing leaves referred to, at least one Leaf is missing from the back of the volume and two or three are missing at the front of the leaves that remain, many have been torn or otherwise mutilated to the point where less than half (in some cases less than a fourth) of the sheet is left. This manuscript volume served two purposes, the front Part contains the minutes of the vestry meetings between 1684 and 1758. The back part contains a record, apparently very incomplete, of births, marriages, baptisms, and deaths in the parish between 1685 and 1730 or 1731 when a new book was begun. -------------------------------- From: "Robin Stanford" To: Subject: Amanda Jane Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 Julie, You seem to be the expert on the Shifletts of Virginia. I am tracing my wife's family and have run into the Shifletts of Orange and Greene Counties. Along with the Morris, Snow and Gibson families which all seem to be entwined with the Shifletts. I would like to know if you have any information regarding Amanda Jane Shiflett who married Meriweather Snow on 9 Apr 1850 in Greene County, Virginia? Their son, Early Snow,is my wife's g-g-grandfather. I am currently at a deadend and thought that you may be able to help. Thanks, Lance -------------------------------- From: JSGMONKEY1(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:36:30 EST Subject: Shiflette Family To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net I am writing to you for information on the Shiflette Family. I am trying to do a family tree for myself. I too am a Shiflette. My name is Jack Jr. I am very much interested in finding out more info from you if you could help me with any info, and perhaps we could talk sometime on line to discuss this further.For example: my grandmothers maiden name is Thompson, first name Violet, and her mothers maiden name was Harris. I was born in Alexandria Virginia. My grandfathers name was Jessie James Shiflette and he was from Culpepper Virginia. So perhaps some of this info will help you, please E-mail me back thank you. By the way I went your site and this is how I got to you. Sincerely -------------------------------- From: "David & Dinah Balderson" To: "Larry Shifflett" Cc: "Julia Crosswell" Subject: Shifflett Web Page, Pls. Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 Larry or Julia, It's been awhile since we have written one another. Please tell me, what is the URL address for the Shifflett web page? I've not been able to access it for quite sometime. Also, my father's last sibling has passed away, her obituary is as follows. Please post it on the Shifflett web page. Any comments or questions, please feel free to contact me at my new email address: bunkerhl(ihatespammers)crosslink.net Thanks, in advance, Cousin, Dinah Shifflett Balderson Anna Mae (Shifflett) Ottaway Obituary Anna Mae (Shifflett) Ottaway, 78, died Monday, December 22, 2003, at Baptist Memorial Hospital in Columbus, Mississippi. A gathering of friends will take place at 10:00 a. m. Saturday, December 27, 2003, at Spry Funeral Home in Huntsville, Alabama. A memorial celebration of Mrs. Ottaway's life will take place at 11:00 a. m. in the funeral home chapel with pastor, Ted Leach officiating. Mrs. Ottaway was born November 14, 1925, in Harrisonburg, Virginia, to the late David Luther Shifflett and Gracie Thomasine (Powell) Shifflett. She had lived in Huntsville since 1960. During this time she worked as a secretary at Thiokol Chemical Corporation, was a co-owner of The Collector's Gallery, and was a member of the Huntsville BPW. She was active in the altar guild, in a women's circle, and on the finance committee at the Lakewood United Methodist Church where she was a longtime member. She had lived in Columbus for the past two years at Arrington. In addition to her parents, she was preceded in death by her husband of 52 years, John Patrick Ottaway; seven brothers, Elmer Clyde Shifflett, Ralph Powell Shifflett, Fred Luther Shifflett, Vernon Harshbarger Shifflett, and Marshall Julian Shifflett; and three sisters, Bernice (Shifflett) McDorman, Gladys (Shifflett) Weane, and Pauline (Shifflett) Graham. Survivors include her daughter, Carole (Ottaway) Beasley and her husband, Dale; son, John Steven Ottaway and wife, Pam; grandchildren Thomas Holt Beasley, Anna Kathryn Beasley, and Kathleen Marie Ottaway; and stepdaughter, Patricia Ann Clemens, husband Gary, and children, Chris Willis and Tricia Strough. Memorials may be made to Habitat for Humanity, P. O. Box 126, Columbus, MS, 39701. ------------------------------ From: "Scott Kendall" To: Subject: Mordecai Brown Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:43:33 -0600 Julia, Hi, I may have information on you Browns in Rappahannock County, VA. He may be the brother to my John T Brown. Please email me and we can share information. Thanks Scott Kendall skendall(ihatespammers)kc.rr. -------------------------------- From: "Wesley Stowers" To: Subject: Stowers Genealogy Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:15:21 -0500 Please check out my Web Site at www.stowers.ws and see if we are cousins. Cousin wes -------------------------------- From: Scotlas1(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:26:40 EST Subject: Shiflet Yahoo To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)CHARTER.NET Julia, You all had a chat email on yahoo which I and other Shiflet's were members. Somehow someone gave the email list to a porn site. I have been getting this nasty email for months and I really would like to know why. See below copy. Sincerely, Debera Lynn Shiflet -------------------------------- Subject: VIA-D Digest V04 #19 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 19 X-Message: #6 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Elizabeth Dicie King Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Elizabeth Dicie King Via died 24 DEC 1938 Henry, Virginia Date of Birth: 3 Feb 1858 Place of Birth: Franklin, Virginia Husband: Peter Lee Via Parents: George Columbus King & Exonia Ross Prillaman If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Charley C. Via "Charles" death certificate I have the death certificate of Charley C. Via "Charles" died 28 Oct 1939 Augusta, Virginia Date of Birth: 6 Jan 1883 Place of Birth: Rockbridge, Virginia Wife: Clara Knight Parents: Madison Via & Lucinda Crawford If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Catherine Wyette Via Death Certificate Content-Type: text/plain I have the death certificate of Catherine Wyette Via died 16 May 1935 Roanoke City, Roanoke, Virginia Date of Birth: 7 Aug 1930 Place of Birth: Henry, Virginia Parents: Homer Oklahoma Via & Violet Hall If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" : [VIA-L] Clara E. Hunt Via Death I have a death certificate Clara E. Hunt Via died 15 Feb 1937 Albemarle, Virginia Date of Birth: 27 Oct 1900 Place of Birth: Albemarle, Virginia Husband: Percy C. Via Parents: J. B. Hunt & Dora Parr If you want a copy, just email ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Frances Ann Via Death Certificate Content-Type: text/plain I have the death certificate of Frances Ann Via died 29 Apr 1935 Reed Creek, Henry, Virginia Date of Birth: 27 Sep 1931 Place of Birth: Henry, Virginia Parents: James Edward Via & Mary Lou Turner If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Sena Frances Prillaman Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Sena Frances Prillaman Via died 20 Nov 1939 Bassett, Henry, Virginia Date of Birth: 19 Jun 1866 Place of Birth: Callaway, Franklin, Virginia Husband: James Ellyson Via Jr. Parents: Andrew Prillaman & Sarah A. Byrd If you want a copy, just email me, ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Ellen A. Taylor Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Ellen A. Taylor Via died 18 Jul 1939 Christiansburg, Montgomery, Virginia Date of Birth: 13 Aug 1857 Place of Birth: Patrick, Virginia Husband: Thomas J. Via Parents: James A. Taylor & Stateira E. Adams If you want a copy, just email me, ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Carl Lester Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Carl Lester Via died Pastures, Augusta, Virginia Date of Birth: 16 Mar 1915 Place of Birth: Augusta, Virginia Parents: Charley C. Via "Charles" & Clara Knight If you want a copy, just email me, ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] George Washington Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of George Washington Via died 21 Feb 1939 Martinsville, Henry, Virginia Date of Birth: 17 Apr 1850 Place of Birth: Patrick, Virginia Wife: Eulalia Thomas Meadows Parents: James Via & Mary Jordon Dehart If you want a copy, just email me, ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Jessie W. Via Death Certificate Content-Type: text/plain I have the death certificate of Jessie W. Via died 27 Jul 1925 Rockingham, Virginia Date of Birth: 9 Oct 1889 Place of Birth: Albemarle, Virginia Wife: Hattie Salina Roach "Pattie" Parents: Daniel Watson Via & Malinda Ann Sipe If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] James Franklin Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of James Franklin Via died 1 Sep 1925 Albemarle, Virginia Date of Birth: 28 Aug 1925 Place of Birth: Albemarle, Virginia Parents: James Franklin Via & Mary Catherine Sandridge If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] James Gilson Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of James Gilson Via died 2 Nov 1925 Henry, Hanover, Virginia Date of Birth: abt. 1863 Place of Birth: Henry, Hanover, Virginia Wife: Louisa Benjamin Bowles Parents: James Gilson Via & Emily Wright If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Flora May Mansfield Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Flora May Mansfield Via died 13 May 1938 Richmond City, Henrico, Virginia Date of Birth: 5 Jun 1892 Place of Birth: Albemarle, Virginia Husband: James Hunter Via Parents: John M. Mansfield & Ellen Lambert If you want a cop, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= From: "Elaine" Subject: [VIA-L] Elmer E. Via Death Certificate I have the death certificate of Elmer E. Via died 1 Dec 1935 Middle River, Augusta, Virginia Date of Birth: 27 Jul 1931 Place of Birth: Virginia Parents: Elzy Jake Via & Gladys Mae Marshall If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= --------- From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Clifton C. Via Here's another Via I am trying to place in the correct family. Does anyone know who his parents were? Clifton C. Via born July 31, 1861 Albemarle Co., Virginia married Mary Mace on January 31, 1882 in Rockingham Co., Virginia appeared in the 1880 Albemarle Co. census as a hired hand in the Sarah Garrison household In the 1900 and 1910 Rockingham County census records Clifton was head of household with wife Mary and his children. In the 1920 Rockingham County census Clifton was living in the household of his daughter and son-in-law Robert and Maggie Raynes In the 1930 Rockingham Co census Clifton C. Via age 69 is in the household of __ Hearrings age 49 and Lilly L. Hearrings age 39, listed as father-in-law. It appears as though Clifton and Mary divorced or lived apart. Mary didn't pass away until 1933 and she's buried in the Mace Cemetery. 1920 Rockingham Co., Virginia census . . . .Mary C. Via Mother-in-law 71 Virginia (In the __ Garrison & Laura Garrison age 44 household) Clifton C. Via died April 12, 1935. Clifton's marriage certificate says he is the son of Richard and Sally Via. His death certificate says parents unknown. Judy ------------------------------ X-Message: #21 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] colonial terms Some colonial terms & meanings: Cousin - generally referred to a niece or nephew. In-law - a relationship created by legal means normally a marriage. A stepfather was called father-in-law. A son-in-law could have meant a stepson, the husband of a daughter, etc. Brother and sister could have been used for stepbrothers, half-brothers, the brother of a sister or sister-in-law, even for a close friend or a member of the same religious group. Orphan - any infant, person under 21 whose father had died. A person's mother could still have been living. Suits - suits were heard in the count of residence of the defendant. In 1785 Virginia passed a law effective in 1787 which provided that an intestate's land and personal be equally divided among all the children, both male and female. Probate - proved in the deceased's county of residence. Bequest - used for personal property Devise - used for real property (land) Citizenship - in Virginia only an English citizen could own land, serve on a jury, hold public office, or vote. If an ancestor did any of those things, they were either English born, or had been naturalized as English citizens. Before 1680, a foreign-born person could be naturalized as a citizen only by an act of the Assembly. After 1680 citizenship could be bestowed by the Governor. -------------------------- Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 From: N P Merrill To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net Subject: William Scott Shiflet [one "F" & one "T"], 1919-1996 I am N. P(rentice) Merrill of Minneapolis, MN, years ago from Essex Fells, NJ, where, as a young man, William (Bill) went to secondary school (Kingsley (a boys' private prep school)), at which I lived and where my father, Nathaniel P. Merrill, had been a long-time teacher. I have some personal anecdotal memories of Bill, which I'd be happy to share with anyone who might be interested. (Survivors included his wife, Juliet Wilkes Shiflet, and a sister Frances Leth Shiflet, Harrisonburg (VA). Do these folks have email or postal addresses?) Thank you, N. P. Merrill -------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:00:44 -0700 From: VIA-D-request(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [VIA-L] colonial terms [Eric Via ] #2 Re: [VIA-L] Clifton C. Via ["maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net" Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Clifton C. Via Judy!! Go to the 1860 Albe. Census for Clifton Via. He had a son listed as D. G., I have him as Dillard G. Via, he was said to have died in the Civil War 5-31-1865 at Point Lookout, MD. If he had married before 1850 one of the females who we thought was his sister could have been his wife and I cannot figure out who the young children listed toward the bottom belong to. William X-Message: #3 From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Clifton C. Via In a message dated 2/1/2004 1:05:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net writes: Go to the 1860 Albe. Census for Clifton Via. He had a son listed as D. G... William, That Clifton Via was married to Judith Sandridge. His chidren were: Mary Ann Via - listed as a daughter of Clifton on her marriage bond. Ira Howard Via - listed as a son of Clifton & Judy Via on his marriage certificate Irena M. Via - referred to as a daughter in Juda Via's will written 10 November 1868. Dillard G. Via - in the 1850 Albemarle co census with Clifton & Judity Elizabeth B. Via - referred to as a daughter in Juda Via's will written 10 November 1868. Sarah C. Via - referred to as a daughter in Juda Via's will of 1868 Lucy Via - listed in the 1850 Albemarle Co census with Clifton & Judith David Via - listed as a son of Clifton & Judith Via on his marriage certificate. The huge gap between the ages of the older children and the three at the bottom of the census is puzzling. David is listed as their son on his marriage record. I don't know who the other two are. I don't think Dillard could have been the father of Clifton as he's in the 1850 & 1860 Albemarle County census in the household with his parents. The Elizabeth listed in the 1850 census could have been Dillard's wife but we haven't found a marriage certificate for him. We do know sometimes daughter-in- laws were referred to as daughters...... Here's part of Juda's will written in 1868 proven in 1883 I Juda Via considering the uncertainty of this mortal life, and being of sound mind and memory, do make and publish this my last will and testament, in manner and form following. 1st I desire that after my death all my just debts be paid. 2nd I desire that after the payment of all my just debts all of my property both personal and real be equally divided between my three daughters Irena M. Via, Elizabeth B. Via and Sarah C. Via. X-Message: #4 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:52:49 EST From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Elizabeth Via William, You have my mind going a zillion miles an hour over Clifton and his son Dillard. And possibly one of the girls we thought was his sister possibly being Dillard's wife.... We need to find an 1870 census record for David Hodges and see the children listed. It's a long shot because Dillard didn't die until 1865 while in prison. And I see an Elizabeth Via marrying in Albemarle Co in 1864 to David Hodges. She's listed as a widow. But maybe they didn't know Dillard's fate and assumed she was a widow. Stranger things have happened. Judy X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:51:32 -0600 From: "Jewell Via Smith" Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Elizabeth Via Judy, Try Micajah and Mary Mills as parents of Clifton that married Judith Sandridge.5 Feb. 1816 Clifton's brothers Garland, Brightberry m. Susan Cox, 2nd Judith Hall,. Winston. Records H H Via ------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 04:04:25 -0700 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 21 X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:53:18 -0600 From: "maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net" maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Elizabeth Via Good Morning!!! Have not been able to find David Hodges. Do you know the age of the Elizabeth Via that was a widow? I have heard several reports of men in the Civil War being listed as deceased only to show up later. One of the Maupins that was on the Steamship Sultana when it sank in April 1865 was listed for many years with the war department as decease, I have seen his military papers, later he applied for a pension and was indeed alive. One of the Maupins from Albemarle Co. was reported deceased at Gettysburg, only to return home and lived many years. While at Gettysburg doing work I talked with one of the Park Rangers about the list of dead. He told me it was very inaccurate. Said there was such turmoil after the battle, men went home without telling anyone, some could not be identified they were so mangled. One of the Maupin boys is listed twice on the list of dead, so the records of the dead in the Civil War is very, very inaccurate. Will check the 1840 Census to see if there is a female to fit in the 1837 female slot. This is a real challenge. William X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:32:38 -0600 From: "maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net" maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net Subject: Re: Re: [VIA-L] Clifton C. Via Good Evening, Judy!!! Go to the 1870 Census in Fredericksville Parish, Albemarle County, for Irena Via. Below her is Sarah Via with son John b. abt. 1862. This is Dillards G. Via wife, I believe. Irena is his sister. This family married many Via cousins. -------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:00:40 -0700 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 22 X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:53:06 -0600 From: "Jewell Via Smith" Subject: [VIA-L] Nationa; Society National Society Daughters of Founders and Patriots of America Amer (?) William Via, Founder Albemarle Co. Marriage Rec. William Via Patriot Albemarle Co. Wills Cora Via 3754 Notes on the Maupin Fam. (Mrs Eugene Joseph Bellenot) Pension Records Maude Via 3741 Affidavits (Mrs Lewis Littlepage) D.A.R. Nat. No.222,793 and 233,149 Maude Via (Mrs. Lewis Littlepage) 3741 Jamestown Cresent, Norfolk, Virginia Born in Scottsville, Virginia Descendant of Amer (?) William Via of New Kent Co, Va. through the Revolution Patriot, William Via of Brown's Cove, Albemarle Co.VA, as below: 1. George Elphus Via (May 5 1854--Sept.28, 1927 m. Emma Georgiana Johnson Mar 21, 1858--Apr 25, 1926 2. Matthew Turner Via ( 1825 --Feb 10, 1869) m. Nov. 30 1852 m. Mary Runkle (--1839--Oct 6, 1913 3. Rueben Via ( 1800--1880) m. Dec, 3, 1821 Livinia Garrison ( 1803--1872) 4. William Via (1761--Jun. 27, 1838) m. Mar. 17, 1784 Mary Craig ((1st wife ----bef 1818) 5. William Via, Jr. (abt. 1725--bef 1783) m bef 1761 ------------ ---------- 6. William Via, Sr. (abt 1695---will --1788, m. abt. 1725 ----------- ---------. bef 1783 7. Amer (?) William Via (1650--) m. ________ _______ (_____-abt. 1720 The Via family settled in New Kent County, later called Hanover County, Virginia 1720. William Via Sr. was a forester for Gabriel Maupin and the two families were closely allied by marriage. William Via (1761-1836) was private under Capt. B. Roy 1781 and served until Nov. 1, 1782 having served 18 months. He was pensioned. Application filed before 1926---jvs ----------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:00:55 -0700 From: VIA-D-request(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 23 X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:42:28 EST From: Janvm1030(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] VIA-D Digest V04 #22 I feel so lonely harping the way I do and have for so many years that there is no documented evidence that Amor/Amer Via was ever known as or had given name William in addition to Amor/Amer. He is also not alias Pierre Viet, a Huguenot who settled in Manakintowne a generation later. Pierre lived a number of years after Amor died, as he is listed on the personal property tax rolls after Amor/Amer disappears. Amer never lived in Albemarle either according to documented sources. That Amor qualifies you who have a Revolutionary ancestor Via, which name only you or your own mother have or had before either of you married, to membership in . . . Founders and Patriots . . . is not disputed. Amor arrived before the cut off date for Founders. We Vias who stayed in Hanover, that I have been able to determine, do not have a Revolutionary ancestor who qualifies us. I could join National Huguenot Society on Amor Via alias Pierre Viet ancestor because these names are acceptable for membership, but there is no documented source that Amor was a Huguenot. He surely did not help settle Manakintowne, Society that accepts him as ancestor, as he arrived at least 25 years before the place was settled and never lived or owned land there. I would be thrilled if we can ever determine through documentation that Amor was a Huguenot, but I have never seen documented that he was even French. If there is such documentation, please share your source with us. I continue to search, but until I find such, I shall not join any organization that does not require proof of the truth or at least preponderence of evidence. As a genealogist the truth is really all in which I am interested. I am a member of NSDAR through lines other than Via, and I have been Registrar for the chapter to which I belong. As Registrar, you have access to all approved chapter applications. There have been many approved applications in the past that would not be acceptable by NSDAR today because of the lack of data asked for on applications (date of birth of applicant or ancestors, for example) and/or because sources used were not required to be documented. The DAR has become very strict fairly recently about sources being properly documented, and for that I am truly delighted. There is much in Maude (Via) Littlepage's application submitted before 1926, that would not be acceptable today. We know that Amor married before 1720; he was dead by then, as a matter of fact. And from whence comes the source that William Via was Gabriel Maupin's forester? I believe there are many issues yet to be settled about Amor Via. The unknown is what keeps some of us continuing our research. Please accept that what I post is intended to be no criticism of others, but is posted with positive thought about our arriving at conclusions with documented data. Janelle Via McKown ---------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 01:03:49 -0700 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 24 From: Ednabarney(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Amer or William? I enjoyed your posting Janelle and you are correct about there being no documentation of Amer being William. In fact, the only documentation at all that we have of Amer VIA is from the Headright's document and the "transcribed" parish register. We may never find anything more, unless we discover him in a record overseas. The obvious place to look is England, as that appears to be the place of origin of those who were listed with him on the Headright's petition. I am wondering, what is the tradition among the Hanover VIA family, as to the origin of their name? My VIAs are from Albemarle, and I do know that my mother, who knew absolutely nothing about genealogy, told me in the 1940s that it was a French name. Most VIAS from the Albemarle area seem to have that same tradition. I myself, have often wondered if the VIA and MAUPIN family origins became confused as they intermarried so much. As for Amer being William, did not Dr. Socrates Maupin suggest that in the mid 1800s? As I recall, his notes had both William and Amer, but I am not certain. Judy Pons probably knows the details. But thanks for your posting. I think it is good to put forth all ideas. Myself, if I did not have this family tradition of France in my head, I might believe that his first name was of Welsh origin or that he was related to the VYE family of southern England. One thing that has bothered me about the French connection, is the pronunciation of the name. The early VIAS must have said it as "VYE" or "VIRE" or "VY-A". The name VIAR or VIA would be pronounced much differently in French - more like "VEE-AH". Of course, there may have been dialects of French, that were more like "VYE" - I do not know. The French would accent the second syllable, whereas Virginians accent the first, but that still does not account for the "I" sound versus the "E". Edna Barney www.ednabarney.com --------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:07:24 -0800 (PST) From: justin shifflett Subject: shifflett To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net i have noticed that in your website that you have mentioned receiving information from a theresa shifflett. this happens to be one of my cousins. through the years i have lost contact with her and would like to reestablish contact with her. my name is justin shifflett if you could, please e-mail her with my email address ( crazyshit187(ihatespammers)yahoo.com ) or e-mail me with hers. thank you justin shifflett -------------------------------- X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 00:25:50 EST From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Albemarle Co., Virginia Land Tax Records Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sometime Sunday I should have the land tax records finished. They are from 1845 through 1854 and are for the Via surname in Albemarle Co., Virginia. If you would like a copy of this file let me know and I'll send it to you as an e-mail attachment. But please send the request to me at jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com and not through the Via list. Judy ------------------------------ X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 00:57:00 EST From: Janvm1030(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] Re: VIA-D Digest V04 #24 Dear Edna, It is gratifying to hear from one who makes me feel that I am not a voice crying in the wilderness. Of course, I cannot speak for all Hanover Vias; they hardly speak for themselves. I have belonged to the Hanover Hisotrical Society and have been posting queries in its Newsletter for 25 years, but have had no response from any Via during that time. Actually, there are few Vias from the early families (or those today do not know it) who continue to live in Hanover. My family who left about 1870, had a vague feeling that somewhere in the past, we were Huguenots, but it was not a big issue, just a casual speculation in passing. We were very poor farming folk when we first came to Texas after the Civil War. The land of our fathers was a battleground in 1862, and again in 1864, and a higher education was not a priority then. I have thought, because there was not much knowledge of Medieval or Renaissance or Church or French history, that perhaps there was more to the Huguenot origin than folklore, that these uneducated folk had to have heard the story from verbal tradition through the centuries. No one in the family seemed to know from whence it came. I have simply kept the thought in my head and have made some attempts to prove or disprove it. I have done research in England and France particularly. I am aware that along the English Channel, in seacoast towns especially, there reside and have for at least four centuries, that I am aware of, many Vye families. There is little distance between France and England along the English Channel, and most of the Vyes stayed in villages and parishes along this coast suggesting that they were probably fishermen or somehow made their living at sea. There has been much travel back and forth across the channel from the earliest of times. Directly across from England there is a Vire River that empties into the channel and a Vire castle in France a short distance inland from that coast. Perhaps a possibility here. Actually the Latin pronunciation of Via is V-long I -and the A is pronounced as an aspiration, a diphthong. Think of viaduct, viable, vial, Viagra, viaticum. All long I's. Second acceptance in all my dictionaries is listed with I as long E, the Romance language pronunciation of I. In Texas because of the Spanish influence, people say V-long E-A (uh), as in Air Mail, but in the dictionary V-long I-A is the first pronunciation. I laughingly advance that we originated as a Roman Legionaire who retired in Southern Gaul, perhaps in Arles or Aix-en-Provence. Have you ever been to Cahors on the Lot River? When the Papacy was moved to Avignon during the great schism of the 14th century, Pope John XXII (Jacques, surname Duese) was from Cahors, and he had two Via (de Via) nephews (must have been sons of his sister because surnames are different), Jacques de Via and Armand de Via that the Pope elevated to the positions of Bishop and Cardinal. There was a large de Via family around Cahors, which is not far distant from the hotbed of dissenters in Languedoc. I am not proficient in French or Latin, but I can read parish registers, menus and get the gist of deeds and wills. My sister and I spent a week in Cahors, capital of the department, pouring over records in the archives for the entire department. We stayed in the castle or palace overlooking the Lot River that Pope John XXII built as his summer retreat, and which is now a fine hotel. When we left there, we went to Avignon. In Avignon The Palace of the Popes is in a constant state of restoration, and not all rooms are open, but there is one small room of sculpture that is. There is a bust of the Cardinal (Armand) in the room, and Jacques' name is on a plaque on the wall as Bishop of Avignon. Their father was Pierre de Via (his will). Armand built and lived in the Petite Palais that stands in front of the Palace of the Popes and which is open to the public. In New Avignon (across the Rhone River) there is a church in which Armand was Bishop, and his tomb is there to view. These ecclesiastics are mentioned in various documents (in Latin) in the British Library (when I saw them first, they were in the Briish Museum). We proved nothing, of course. That was 14th century, and Amor makes no appearance for another 300 years. But it is a place to start in Europe (and incidentally, the name is very uncommon in Europe also). There are just a few pockets of de/da Via (in Valladolid in Spain, a few in Paris, the large contingent in Cahors, one in Bologna, Italy, and I believe I saw one in a parish register in the Ardennes in the 18th century). Of course, there may be others about whom I am unaware and know nothing. There is a small village, named Vias, near Narbonne. I met a charming, friendly old lady in the little park there who spoke no English, and I could not converse in French, but we each knew enough Spanish (Narbonne and Vias being near the border with Spain) that we communicated in this third language. I have never searched in Holland, Belguim or Germany. Many Huguenots fled to those countries, especially to the Low Countries after the Spanish were driven out. There is not a VIA in the London telephone directory nor in any directory that I have checked in England. I can't help thinking that Amor just passed through there on his way to America, although he had to have learned to read and write English somewhere. Perhaps he was of one of those Vye families along the coast and the spelling changed or remained in a state of flux as it continues to. There is a Robert and a William Vie on the Isle of Ely in the 17th century. Don't go looking for it in the North Sea. It is in the Fens, landlocked, in Cambridgeshire. I don't wish to offend anyone, and I haven't seen all of Dr. Socrates Maupin's notes, but I have been told by some who have and whose opinions I respect that there is a great deal of speculation and little documentation in them. Those of you who have studied his notes can let us know perhaps. I believe that he was an Albemarle Via, correct? Janelle ----- X-Message: #5 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:59:06 -0600 From: "maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net" maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net Subject: Re: [VIA-L] Re: VIA-D Digest V04 #24 Good Morning, Group!!! In regard to Dr. Socrates Maupin's papers. I have read what papers are left that are not at UVA in Charlottesville and do not recall any discussion about the Via family. However, I do know that after Dr. Maupins death the papers stayed in his family for many years. Family members sent these papers to other members of the family for research apparenly over the years pages were lost. In reading research done by members of the family who had seen the papers, they mention items I did not find in the papers as they are now. This led me to belived some pages were missing. I know Dr. Maupin started working in the 1830's and visited the original Maupin farm and visited with Ambrose Maupin who at the time owned 150 acres of the 300 acres Daniel purchased from Mr. Moorman. Abrose's father was Zacharian who had died abt. 1811, he had purchased the farm in the 1770's from my ancestor Jesse Maupin, who had only held it a few months before leaving for North Carolina. Daniel and Margaret were still alive when Zachariah took it over and cared for his parents until they died, some ten or so years. It would seem if anyone would have know about the early Maupins and Vias it would have been Zachariah and his son Ambrose who was twelve or thirteen when his grandparents died. Yet family members on this line do not have any information on the Maupins or Vias. Zachariah was an educated man apparently and was reportedly a friend of Thomas Jefferson who visited in the area at times. Zachariah was a Justice of the Peace and was said to have held court in what is now the White Hall area. By the way all of the land, some 1988 acres surrounding and including White Hall belonged to Daniel Maupin and later his decendants until around 1800. As family members left the area the lind was sold off. The Maupin farm owned by William Daniel Maupin contains most but not all of the original three hundred acres purchased from Charles Moorman in the 1740's. The grants issued to Daniel were adjacent to this tract and later the grand land was given in parcel to Daniel's children. My ancestor Jesse Maupin received the last parcel of three hundred acres the "Home Place" be he sold the tract within a few months of receiving and left for Surry County, North Carolina where he had another land grant, which he did not occupy and ended up in Henry Co. VA. We suspect there was some problem between Daniel,Sr and Jesse. Jesse Maupin was the first of the Maupin family to leave Albemarle Co. In 1789 the migration to Kentucky began and by 1820 most of the migration was over. Family members left for Kentucky, Tennessee and Ohio. I am sure that out there somewhere are the lost papers of Dr. Socrates Maupin, stored in some forgotten boxes of family members who are not interested in such things. Over the past thirty years I have met some of these people. As I visited families collecting data more than once I was asked, "Why are you interested in all this old information?" "These people have been dead for along time." I have seen Bible records that were thought to have been lost and have heard stories that have been passed down for over one hundred years and never written down. The Via family, for the most part those in the Albemarle County, were not interested in family history. Some knew they were French but were not interested in their history. Vera Via, who was deceased before I reached Albemarle County was one of the few Vias interested in the history of the families of Maupin and Via. I am one of the believers in the name of Amer Via being William Amos Via. I feel that he used the nick name Amer. The use of the name William Via far exceeds any other name in the Via family tree. Daniel Maupin and Margaret Via named one son William Maupin, which was from the Via family and this line uses the name William Amos and Amos many times. If you will also notice "Amer" and "Amos" could have been confused do to the early penmanship being hard to read. I think it would be appropriate to find the original tract of land owned by William Amos (Amer) Via and mark such for later descendants. Believe it or not some of the original graves from the 1700 are still visible in areas where there had not been any farming or building done. When I first started working some thirty years ago, my grandmother told me. "If you are looking for a grave, look for the highest point within site of the house, check the land for impressions or rocks. These areas were usually not farmed nor used." The idea she said. "A husband's grave was placed to oversee his widow and children, and was to keep away future husbands." My grandmother would laugh after this comment. William Albertson ----------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 07:00:50 -0700 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 29 X-Message: #5 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:35:43 EST From: Jlmaupin(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: [VIA-L] personal property tax records-explanation of TS,PS,HS Content- I've had a couple of questions regarding the personal property tax list. Some entries has TS, PS, or HS beside them. This actually is a blessing. It identifies the father's for us. You will notice PS after the name Wm W. Via. The PS indicates Pleasant's son. The HS after Wm W. Via means Hezekiah's son. (This was William Wingfield Via). The TS after Wm W. Via means Thomas' son. (This was William Washington Via). Those initials were on the actual record. I didn't add them but transcribed them as I found them. It's great when the records help us identify individuals!! Judy ------------------------- Subject: Shiflett Genealogy Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:10:55 -0500 From: "Wade, Vertie S *HS" To: Hi Julie, Has your web site changed? I noticed no new entries, etc. have been made under What's New? I miss the updates. I do hope all is well with you and your family. Vertie -------------------------------- From: TalShiff(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:04:34 EST Subject: Fwd: fw: The Story Tellers To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net, bobklein(ihatespammers)cablespeed.com, EPowell555(ihatespammers)aol.com, lfsofva(ihatespammers)hotmail.com Hi Guys: I thought you might like this. Talmadge From: Rockhoundgal(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:47:11 EST Subject: fw: The Story Tellers To: TalShiff(ihatespammers)aol.com Subject: THE STORYTELLERS >We are the chosen. One in each family who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. >To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story! So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have we stood before now and cried? We have lost count. How many times have we told our ancestors 'you have a wonderful family; you would be proud of us?' How many times have we walked up to a grave and somehow felt love was there waiting for us? We cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who we are and why we do the things we do. It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying, we can't let this happen. >The bones here are bones of our bones and flesh of our flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to a deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do. >With love and caring and by recording each fact of their existence, because we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe called, we tell the stories of our families. It is up to that one from the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. That is why we do our family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and put flesh on the bones. Author Unknown -------------------------------- From: "Rose Spagnola" To: Subject: Family Line Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:11:39 -0800 I am researching my family line and it may cross yours at this junction: 4. Richmond Dalton b. 1813 Madison Co. Ky (the Epperson book gives Louisville Ky as place of birth, definitely wrong. and his obit gives Albermarle Va as birthplace. I have a probate record with his birth date and place. I m still working on this line) i am looking for records on Richmond Dalton, b 10 Jun 1815 in KY or VA, died 10 Oct 1899, VA, son of Isham Dalton and Elizabeth Thompson Walton, wife Priscilla Hahn, b 1823 d 1861, this marriage had 13 children of which Alice Ellen Dalton, b 1846/7, d 1933-36, is my line. You mention a probate record. Could I get a scanned copy of it? rose Spagnola rspagnola(ihatespammers)charter.net -------------------------------- From: BGCleveland(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:26:46 EST Subject: Shiflet web Site To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net Hi Julia, I'm probably the one-millionth person to ask you this, but what is your plans for the site in the future,since I haven't seen any changes for over a year now? Respectfully, Bruce Cleveland, -------------------------------- From: MayganB(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:31:39 EST Subject: Your website - Garrison To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net I am researching my ancestors and found your website and want to know if you ever heard of Cordelia Garrison who married John T. Byrd and had a son named John Byrd. They moved to Austin, Tx. or around there as their son John Byrd was my great grandfather. Thanks for any information. Sandra Bradshaw My email address is: MayganB(ihatespammers)aol.com -------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 From: Peggy Conley Subject: Shiflett-Crosswell (Virginia Blue Ridge Magazine) To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net Dear Julia Shiflett-Crosswell, I am very proud of you coming out in Blue Ridge Magazine - Pg. 24 I went to your web-site and find it very interesting. I come from Fugate/Lee/Davenport/Reed/Hale/Cunningham lines in early Virginia/Tennessee. Sincerely, Peggy Leyva-Conley ===== Peggy Leyva-Conley 1011 Cherry Court Hollister, California 95023 Area Code: (831) 634-1864 -------------------------------- From: VAThomson(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:13:21 EST Subject: Brown research To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net MIME-Version: 1.0 I hope this is still a good mailing address. A bunch of Brown researchers have gathered together to try to resolve the mystery of William Ambrose Brown's parentage. Some of us (me, included) descend from other Brown lines, but we're all pitching in to see if there's anything out there that might've been missed. Would you care to join us? Warmest wishes, ~Virginia -------------------------------- X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:00:43 -0800 From: "Elaine" To: VIA-L(ihatespammers)rootsweb.com Subject: [VIA-L] Homer Oklahoma Via Death certificate I have the death certificate of Homer Okahoma Via died 8 Dec 1937 Bassett, Henry, Virginia Date of Birth: 1 May 1895 Place of Birth: Patrick, Virginia Wife: Violet Hall Parents: Peter Lee Via & Elizabeth "Bettie" Dicie King If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net I have the death certificate of Harry Berkley Via died 21 July 1935 Charlottesville, Albemarle, Virginia Date of Birth: 19 July 1934 Place of Birth: Schuyler, Nelson, Virginia Parents: William C. Via & Fannie Gardner If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of Homer Fountain Via died 14 Feb 1937 Bassett, Henry, Virginia Date of Birth: 14 Feb 1889 Place of Birth: Patrick, Virginia Parents: Millard Fillmore Via & Mary Frances Jarrett If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of Isabelle Mahaley Frances Ferguson Via died 23 Aug 1938 Roanoke, Roanoke, Virginia Date of Birth: 2 Jul 1876 Place of Birth: Franklin, Virginia Husband: William "Willis" Noah Via Parents: Nicholas W. Via & Julia Frances Harris If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of Harriet Olivia Hudson Via died 30 Apr 1937 Roanoke, Roanoke, Virginia Date of Birth: 19 Jul 1857 Place of Birth: Floyd, Virginia Husband: William Riley Via Parents: Lewis O. Hudson & Nancy _________ If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of Henry George Via died 4 Jul 1938 Albemarle, Virginia Date of Birth: 4 Mar 1938 Place of Birth: Hershey, Pennsylvania Parents: Marvin Lee Via & Lottie Garrison If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of Hugh Gray Via died 27 Mar 1937 Low Moor, Virginia Date of Birth: 28 Nov 1899 Place of Birth: Fincastle, Botetourt, Virginia Parents: James Wesley Via & Mary A. Wright If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of Isaac Richard Via died 18 Apr 1935 Court House, Floyd, Virginia Date of Birth: 12 Apr 1861 Place of Birth: Patrick, Virginia Wife: Cordilla Howell Parents: George Washington Via & Joanna Jenny If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of Hattie Salina Roach Via died 28 Jul 1938 Stonewall, Rockingham, Virginia Date of Birth: abt. 1890 Place of Birth: Rockingham, Virginia Husband: Jessie W. Via Parents: Enoch B. Roach & Lydia M. Strickler If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of James Fleming Via died 13 Apr 1928 Martinsville, Henry, Virginia Date of Birth: 27 Jul 1880 Place of Birth: Patrick, Virginia Wife: Mary Frances "Fannie" Pilson Parents: William Alexander Via & Adaline Martha Via If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of Hubert Lee Via died 27 Jun 1939 White Hall, Albemarle, Virginia Date of Birth: 19 Jun 1918 Place of Birth: Albemarle, Virginia Parents: Daniel Christopher Via & Minnie Garrison If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= I have the death certificate of James Ellison Via Jr. died 27 May 1939 Bassett, Henry, Virginia. Date of Birth: 24 Aug 1861 Place of Birth: Patrick, Virginia Wife: Sena Frances Prillaman Parents: James Ellison Via Sr. & Louisa Virginia Turner If you want a copy, just email me. ElaineVia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Elaine =^..^= -------------------------------- X-Originating-Email: [patshiflett(ihatespammers)hotmail.com] X-Sender: patshiflett(ihatespammers)hotmail.com From: "Pat Shiflett" To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net Subject: FW: recipe Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:24:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2004 17:24:33.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[B84FD7C0:01C4078D] >From: "Janice Green" To: "Pat Shiflett" Subject: recipe >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:28:44 -0600 >Dear Pat, >Here is the recipe for the egg cheese: >36 eggs - in a great big pan >1 quart milk >2 quarts water-salt to taste >Keep stirring the whole time you are cooking it, so it does not scorch at the bottom. Cook until the wter is clear and the eggs cooked up to lumps. Then cool a little and drain into a cheese cloth or anykind of cloth. Twist >it until it forms into a hard ball. Tie it, hang up to drip overnight. In the morning , take the ball out and bake at 350 for 15 minutes. That will keep it from getting slimy. -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:00:47 -0700 VIA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 50 X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:28:35 -0500 From: "jvia" jvia(ihatespammers)comcast.net Subject: [VIA-L] From Browns Gap to Rockfish Gap Although the article gives no mention to our family it does provide a background to some of the regions names and the history. Jeff Via The following is an historic reprint from the October 1936 Edition of the Potomac Appalachian Trail Club Bulletin, precursor the PATC's current newsletter, the Potomac Appalachian. FROM BROWNS GAP TO ROCKFISH GAP By Jean Stephenson When the Indians of the Monacan Confederacy, who were of the Siouan linguistic family, came from the West and pushed their hereditary enemies, the Algonquins, back to the coast, they did not stop long in the Great Valley but continued on across the Blue Ridge. Evidences of their villages and their graves are to be found in Albemarle County. On the mountains one may now and then find an arrowhead, a relic of the days when the Blue Ridge was covered with forest trees and abounded with game. Buffalo, wolves, foxes, deer, and many other species roamed the hills, and the Indians followed them. But the Indians made no permanent settlements there. Some Indian implements have been found in the Blue Ridge, but usually in the gaps where parties crossing the Ridge with their chattels might naturally stop over night. A massive mortar formed from a single piece 04 amphibolite was found in Browns Cove some years ago and is now in the New National Museum. It was probably made and used where discovered. In early days the gap now known as Browns was called so on the east side only, the west being called "Madisons Gap" from the Madison family that settled at the mouth of the gap before 1749 and built "Madison Hall." Here was born James Madison, the first Episcopal bishop of Virginia, and President of William and Mary College. The stream that flows west down the gap is still called Madisons Run. On this stream was located Mt. Vernon Furnace, built in 1848 by the Miller family, whose name is perpetuated by Miller Run just to the south. The furnace was operated at intervals until 1878. A still earlier furnace, at Paulington, was started by Fausett before 1800. The Mt. Vernon Forge was at Shendun, as Grottoes was called prior to 1912. Shendun was at one time a thriving town, even having trolley cars, but its glory has long since departed, and the furnaces are cold. Benjamin Brown of Hanover County was one of the first to take up lands in the westward counties. He and his son Benjamin procured patents on land in Louisa County before its establishment in 1742, and soon thereafter turned their attention to Albemarle. Between 1747 and 1760 they entered more than 6000 acres on both sides of what is now called Doyle's River, and additional tracts in other sections. The family became one of the most influential in that section of the county, often being magistrates and holding other offices. Browns Gap and Browns Cove are reminders of their settlement. The first Benjamin married Sarah Dabney who, according to the firm belief of her grandson Charles Brown, was a descendant of the Jennings who left a fabulous estate in chancery in England. As early as 1860 the Browns were active in pressing their claim and Dr. Charles went twice to England to see about it, but with no tangible result. Three quarters of a century have passed and still there are claimants to the Jennings estate. It is now a famous genealogical will-o'-the-wisp, and it is interesting to think that much of its life and the persistency of the belief in it comes from the labor expended on it seventy-five years ago by the Browns of the Blue Ridge. The first Benjamin Brown must have loved the alliteration of "B. B." for of his eight sons, seven were named Benjamin, Barzillai, Benajah, Bernard, Bernis, Bezaleel, and Brightberry. While the Biblical origin of some is evident, he must have invented several of these names. The son Bernis became a Methodist preacher and through this connection the entire family had a wide acquaintance with the ministers of that denomination. Brightberry's son, Horace, who died in 1846, lived at the old family home in Browns Cove (where the Trail Club spent a memorable night in 1934), which it is stated "because of its bracing air, quiet seclusion, and generous fare, was the favorite resort of the Methodist clergy." In 1805 Brightberry Brown and William Jarman began the construction of a turnpike across the mountains, from Camping Rock on the west side, crossing the Ridge at Browns Gap, descending through Browns Cove, and ending at Mechum's Depot. Its formal opening and acceptance by Commissioners from counties on both sides of the mountains in 1806 was the occasion for a great celebration. Under the name of "Brown's Turnpike" it was long one of the important crossings. Some idea of values may be glimpsed, however, from the fact that in 1819 James, son of William Jarman, sold his half interest for $100. In 1867 the title to Brown's Turnpike as individual property lapsed, and it has since been a public road. This turnpike in part followed one of the oldest trails from the west - from the Old Fields (in what is now Hardy County, W. Va.) through Brocks Gap, by Singers' Glen (where there have been singing festivals yearly for over a hundred years), past Big Spring and so across the Blue Ridge by the Gap later known as Browns. South of Browns Gap is Black Rock Springs, which, in the heyday of Virginia's mineral springs during the eighteen forties and fifties and even later, was a popular resort. Its waters were advertised to contain iron soda, lime, magnesia, and carbonic acid gas loudly acclaimed as 'Good for whatever ails you"; and said to be superior to all the spas of Europe. Moormans River commemorates another early settler. Charles Moorman from the Isle of Wight, England, lived in Louisa County where he was a leading Quaker and overseer of the Friends Meeting House on Camp Creek. As early as 1735 he and his son Thomas were patentees of 400 acres "at the forks of the Rivanna near the Blue Mountains." This was at the junction of the present Mechum and Moormans Rivers. In 1735 the son Thomas was granted 65 acres from the branches of Meadow Creek to the South Forks of the Rivanna "including the Indian Grave low grounds." They slowly extended their holdings westward and by 1741 Thomas patented 750 acres on the main branch of Moormans River, which thereafter was called by his name. Two years earlier a grant on the first fork had been made, of 285 acres to David Mills, and in 1741 Dennis Doyle obtained 800 acres on the same stream, and gave his name to it. The long lofty ridge east of the north fork of Moormans River is known as the Pasture Fence Mountain, so called because it was covered in summer with blue grass and wealthy planters in the eastern part of the county fenced it for grazing purposes at an early date. Jarman Gap is perhaps the most historic of all the spots along this section of the Trail, for it was the site of the first settlement of the mountain lands. While the central section of Albemarle County was being occupied by settlers from the Tidewater, this first settlement in the Blue Ridge was made by one coming from Pennsylvania. Michael Woods, who was born in Ireland in 1684, came with his wife and children to America about 1720, landing in Delaware Bay. He remained some years in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and then came down the Valley and crossed the Blue Ridge in 1734, where he settled at what was for years known as Woods Gap, but now as Jarman. At first he did not bother to get title to his land, he and his sons and sons-in-law merely began to cultivate it and to build homes. He called his place "Mountain Plains." However, in 1737 he entered 1300 acres on Mechums River and Lickinghole and purchased 2006 acres patented two years earlier by Charles Hudson. He died in 1762 and was buried in the family burying ground 100 yards from his dwelling. His tombstone was standing until after the Civil War but has now disappeared, although from a fragment found twenty years ago the date of his death was secured. There is a romantic story connected with his son John, who when grown made the perilous and tedious journey back to Pennsylvania to claim as a bride Susanna Anderson whom he had known as a child. The Woods and Wallace families were strong Presbyterians and soon after their settlement called for a minister and established a church, which was known as "Mountain Plains" as it was built on a portion of Michael Woods' land of that name. All the sons of Michael Woods moved west, and the old homestead Mountain Plains passed into the ownership of Chief Justice John Blair, prior to 1788. Its name was then changed to Blair Park, which name is still retained although it is now owned by a descendant of a daughter of Michael Woods. William Wallace, son- in-law of Michael, settled at Piedmont, at the foot of the Ridge a mile east of Beagle Gap. The original home was destroyed by fire, the present home being built in 1816. However, there are still fig trees, box, and altheas, obtained from Jefferson on his return from France in exchange for a wagon load of clover seed needed for Monticello. Woods Gap was long the principal crossing of the Blue Ridge. Through it had gone a buffalo trail and later through it went the Three Notched Road, which ran from the Gap east to the South Anna River, passing along what is now the main street of Charlottesville. It was marked by three notches or blazes on trees to guide the stranger. During and after the Revolution the British prisoners of the Convention Army were taken across the Ridge by the Three Notched Road through Woods Gap. Thomas Jarman had settled on Moormans River in 1762, where his children intermarried with the Browns and Maupins. About 1800 his grandson Thomas bought the land at the summit of the Ridge in Woods Gap, and since then it has been known as Jarman Gap. Rockfish Gap is now the main crossing of the Blue Ridge. The old buffalo trail going through it later became a road joining the Three Notched Road west of Wayland Crossing, now Crozet. It was chiefly used to bring produce to the head of navigation of the Rockfish River. In a letter written in 1756 there is a graphic description of the means devised by the Rev. Robert Rose to send hogsheads of tobacco down stream. They would be brought to the river bank in winter, and then taken down the stream in the spring freshets. The only boats were canoes. Obviously a light canoe would be useless to carry a hogshead, as it would sink under the weight. But he found that by lashing two canoes together, a short distance apart, and placing several hogsheads crosswise on them, bracing the hogsheads in the stern and bow, they could easily be floated down stream. However, it must have taken considerable skill to handle such unwieldy craft in a spring flood. Nevertheless, for many years this was the means employed to transport produce from Rockfish Gap and adjacent territory to the Tidewater section. When Tarleton's men approached Charlottesville during the Revolutionary War and the Assembly fled to Staunton, a large body of men gathered in Rockfish Gap, to see that the British did not set foot in the Valley. They remained on guard there until Washington entered the state and then joined him to push Cornwallis back toward Yorktown. One of the most noted taverns of the state was Mountain Top Tavern in Rockfish Gap. It was often the scene of important conferences. Here in 1818 assembled the convention of twenty-eight prominent citizens, including ex-Presidents Madison, Monroe, and Jefferson, and Chief Justice Marshall which met to decide whether the University of Virginia should be located in Lexington, Staunton, or Charlottesville. Later the old tavern burned, and the estate finally became the home of Thomas Watson of Georgia. It now belongs to the Swannanoa Country Club. The famous Blue Ridge tunnel runs beneath Rockfish Gap, the engineer for it being Colonel Claude Crozet, who had crossed the Alps with Napoleon. Wayland Crossing was renamed Crozet for him in 1870. During the construction of the railroad, in 1854, Asiatic cholera broke out among the workmen on the western slope of the mountains and almost wiped out the inhabitants. Many stories are still told of this terrible time. But work continued and it was with great rejoicing that the first passenger engine was brought over the mountain with mules, and the railroad placed in operation long before the tunnel was completed. While not as isolated as in some other localities, throughout the mountains the people have continued to live the primitive life of the first settlers in many respects. Grazing cattle for lowlanders was long a chief industry. Sawmills traveled from place to place. The large timber has long since been cut. Until the blight struck it, second growth chestnut was cut for telegraph poles and brought $1.50 each. The demand for cross ties and for tan bark led to the virtual extinction of the black and red (or "roan") oak trees. Gathering sassafras for sassafras oil has long been one of the main occupations, especially of the women and children. There were until recently several sassafras mills in the mountains. For the first hundred years after settlement game was not only plentiful but even destructive and dangerous. A bounty of 140 Ibs. of tobacco was long paid by the county for the head of an old wolf. The last wolf bounty paid was $12 to Isaac W. Garth in 1849. There are still a few wildcats and some small game to be found. Now that most of the land is within the Park area, if not disturbed by too much development and wildlife is encouraged, it may be that within another fifty years foxes and deer will be as plentiful as they were two hundred years ago, and it may even be necessary again to set a bounty on wolves! So swiftly do our once settled mountains of the East revert to the wild! ------------------------------ X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:20:24 -0600 From: "maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net" maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net Subject: [VIA-L] Brown's Gap Turnpike Good Afternoon!!! That was a very interesting article on the Turnpike. Thank you for posting it. While I lived in the White Hall area of Albemarle County I did some research on the Turnpike. Here are a few things that will be of interest to the members of the Via list. The Turnpike started at Mechum's River. The remains of the "toll house" are still there, it is a brick structure. The Jarman house, that is on the same parcel and was in the Jarman family for many many years is still in use. The road then curves around heading north and goes by Mt. Plain's Cemetery. Then pass on the east side of Mt. Plains Church, which was originally called Mt. Plains Meeting House. The structure that is there today does not date back to the beginning. Going on northward you cross Beaver Creek. This creek has been damed up and now there is a lake. Daniel Maupin, III lived briefly, from abt. 1789-1793, on this road. In fact the road actually ran through is land on the east side. At what is now called "White Hall" the road turned right for about one half mile. White Hall was named after Chapman White's Store that was at the corner where the road turned. About in 1829 the area was called White's Hall. Chapman White was married to his first cousin Elizabeth Maupin, daughter of William Maupin and Mildred White. Mildred was Chapman's aunt and William Maupin was the son of Daniel Maupin and Margaret Via. At Mt. Moriah Church the road turned north again. At this point from the corner of White Hall the one half mile was on Buck Mountain Road that came down from the north from the Free Union area. After passing in front of the Daniel Maupin Homeplace the road started up Pigeon Top Mountain. This was also called Jamison's Mountain in the early days. At the William Jarman place just starting up the mountain the road turned left or west and crosses Doyles River. At the William Jarman place was the original "Maupin's Meeting House" if was also called the "Methodist Episcopal Meeting House". It had its beginning in 1782 and was abandoned in 1838 when Mt. Moriah Church was build on the donate Maupin land. Just after crossing Doyles River the road turne right (north) and follows Doyles river north crossing it once. In 1941 when the road was improved this crossing was changed. You can still see remains of the rock wall along this part of the road. The Brown family owned the land from the turn at Doyles River all the way to the top of the mountain where it crosses over in to Augusta County. At Mt. Fair the road turns right (east) and continues up the mountain following Doyles River, gradually turning back north. At "Headquarters" the road turns east a very short distance and goes to the Brightberry Browns place turning again north. >From this point on it is unpassable by car. In the 1930 the road was closed when the Park was being developed. There was talk some years ago about opening it up again, since the park is not used much in this area. There was another "toll both" at Grottoes. I found an obituary once that said that the man who had died was a son of the "toll booth" operator at Grottoes. This road was a very important during the Civil War and both side used it as a path from the Valley to Albemarle County. There are Brown Cemeteries at. Mt. Fair, Brown's Cove, Headquarters, (originally called Trinadad the home of Benjamin Brown, I), Brightberry Browns and was told of other cemeteries up on the Mountain, but was not able to go to see them. The Via Cemetery east of Mt. Fair is just a short distance from the old Turnpike. If anyone has any questions please let me know. William Albertson maupinreunion(ihatespammers)par1.net ----------------------------- From: LWhittingt(ihatespammers)aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:23:57 EDT Subject: Shifflett Family To: jcrosstx(ihatespammers)charter.net I saw your web site and I was wondering if you could help me , I see that u are a shifflett, well I am to.My name is GloriaDarlene Shifflett Whittington.I live in Concord, NC, I am trying to trace back my family but it seens I keep running in to problems. My parents were Russell L & Mrytle L Shifflett.We live in Maryland.They both were born in VA.Mrytle in Greene Co and Russell in Rockingham Co.Mrytle parents were George W & Rosie B Shifflett.Rosie parents were Sam & Betty Roach.Rosie had about 11 kids, 8 that I remember, Well anyway George parents, I was told were Andrew & Laura Shifflett,now he have 5 sisters and 2 brothers.George was born Jan 23,1879 inRockingham County,VA. HE died in 1961. I was wanting someinformation on george and his parents and family. I didn't know if u had any information on that side of the Shifflett. My parents are deceased , I have 6 sisters& 5 Brothers.It seens like all of the Shifflett family's were big. I did have a aunt that live in Elkton,VA. But she pass away last year. She was Alice Reba Shifflett Roach, She had married a Russell Roach. I still have uncle's that lives in Elkton, but don't know where to find them. Some of my uncle names were Gilbert, Elbert,Sam, Raymond, Ollie ,Earman and Claude That is on my mothers side.If u can find any or have any information I could use I would greatly appreaciate it.My e-mail address is LWhittingt(ihatespammers)aol.com Sincerly Darlene Whittington 605 Primrose Lane Concord NC 28027 -------------------------------- From: "Kelly Shifflett" To: Subject: i can't believe this site! Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:09:29 -0400 i can't believe this site! i am a shifflett of shifflett hollow. my aunt and uncle still live in the old home place. my grandfather was leonidas shifflett (onnie) and he married julia powell. they lived many years in fredericksburg where my dad, vernon shifflett, and my uncles hubert and leon (sonny) were primarily raised. my dad was the real keeper of the history but he was murdered in '81 when i was about 12 and i regret not having learned and remembered more. my uncle hubert and aunt anna frazier live in the old homestead, the land having been divided and whittled away many times. i have such fond memories of the place, and grew up with wild stories of the wild shiffletts up the holler! this site is just too, too amazing. have you read A History of Greene County by TE Johnson, Shenandoah Vestiges - What the Mountain People Left Behind, Shenandoah Heritage - the Story of the People Before the Park, bothby jack and carolyn reeder, or Lost Trails and Forgotten People - the Story of Jones Mountain by Tom Floyd? a guy fixing my roof a few years ago was amused to find out i was a shifflett. he gave me these books.i could go on an on but i want to get back to looking at the site. i have to figure out how to make some connections! this is SO great --------------------------------